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New Year, New Home: Bringing the lessons of 2023 into 2024

To get you through the dog days of summer, we have more excellent advice from our property wizards!
In this episode, Molly Benjamin will talk through the power of mindset when buying property and building your wealth. Kent Lardner shares his feelings about the current fixation on the dollar value of property and how research shows we need to invest in more social housing. Dr Nicola Powell explains what she does as the Chief of Economics and Research at Domain and what trends she’s been seeing.

To get you through the dog days of summer, we have more excellent advice from our property wizards!
In this episode, Molly Benjamin will talk through the power of mindset when buying property and building your wealth. Kent Lardner shares his feelings about the current fixation on the dollar value of property and how research shows we need to invest in more social housing. Dr Nicola Powell explains what she does as the Chief of Economics and Research at Domain and what trends she’s been seeing.

Episode Outline

00:00Disclaimer 00:16Introduction 01:14Tips on how to save for your deposit from Molly Benjamin 04:00Ways first home buyers can change their mindset when it comes to home buying 06:42Why it’s important for first home buyers to educate themselves about home buying 08:21How Aussies became fixated on property values and why we need more social public housing according to Kent Lardner 09:06Biggest takeaways from the current state of rentals in Australia 15:18Dr. Nicola Powell and her role as Chief of Research and Economics at Domain 16:38Trends affecting first home buyers 18:16The First Home Buyer Report by Domain 21:35 Is the time it takes to save for a deposit decreasing?

Show Notes

To get you through the dog days of summer, we have more excellent advice from our property wizards!

In this episode, Molly Benjamin will talk through the power of mindset when buying property and building your wealth. Kent Lardner shares his feelings about the current fixation on the dollar value of property and how research shows we need to invest in more social housing. Dr Nicola Powell explains what she does as the Chief of Economics and Research at Domain and what trends she’s been seeing.

Get in touch with our Speakers!

Molly Benjamin (Founder of Ladies Finance Club) Author of “Girls Just Wanna Have Funds”

Kent Lardner (Director of Suburb Trends)

Dr Nicola Powell (Chief of Research and Economics at Domain
Property expert, researcher, speaker, and writer)


Michael 0:00
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Michael 0:06
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Michael 0:10
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Michael 0:17
Hi and welcome to the home run your guide to buying your first home in Australia on the show, I’ll walk you through the home buying process from every angle.

Michael 0:24
We cover steps to take the pitfalls to avoid and the answers to all your questions you’ve been dying to ask no matter what stage you’re at, you’ll learn everything you need to know about buying your first home.

Michael 0:35
I’m your host, Michael Nasser and I’m a mortgage broker at Lendstreet and I really love helping people buy their first home.

Jack 0:45
Hey, there listeners.

Jack 0:46
My name’s Jack Trainer and I’m one of the producers here at the home run.

Jack 0:49
I’m just filling in for Michael today because with the New Year upon us, Michael and the team here at the home Run wanted to do something special for the next few episodes.

Jack 0:57
So welcome to our new year.

Jack 0:59
New Home series.

Jack 1:01
We’ve gathered the best tips and stories from the past year of episodes so you can refresh your memory while you gear up for the housing market in 2024.

Jack 1:09
So let’s get into it now to kick off part two of this series.

Jack 1:12
First, you’ll hear from Molly Benjamin, the founder of the Ladies Finance Club.

Jack 1:17
The LFC is an exclusive finance club that empowers women to take control of their financial futures.

Jack 1:23
When Michael and Molly caught up, they focused on some outside-the-box ideas that could help you save for your deposit.

Jack 1:29
And Michael started out by asking Molly all about mindset.

Molly 1:36
Your actions are your beliefs, your beliefs are your actions.

Molly 1:38
So if you really believe that you’re never gonna be able to buy a property, what’s your action?

Molly 1:43
You don’t take an action?

Molly 1:44
What happens?

Molly 1:45
The result is you have no property.

Molly 1:47
If you believe you can get on the property ladder, you start taking action.

You go.

Molly 1:51

Molly 1:51
Well, I’m just gonna chat to a mortgage broker and see.

Molly 1:54
Where am I currently at?

Molly 1:55
Where do I wanna get to?

Molly 1:57

Molly 1:57
I’m gonna start looking around, I’m gonna look at what other options are there?

Molly 2:00
Oh, cool.

Molly 2:01
There’s some government schemes.

Molly 2:02
Ok, great.

Molly 2:02
I could rentvest.

Molly 2:04
Oh, great.

Molly 2:04
I could get my parents to be my guarantors.

Molly 2:06
You start taking action and I’m a big believer of mantras goal setting and actually changing the messages in your head to say no I will be a property owner.

Molly 2:16
I will get on the property ladder and actually believing it, I remember speaking to, a lady in London and she was in hr earning a pretty good wage and we walked past the house together and she’s like, I’ll never be able to afford a property.

Molly 2:30
And I was like, why is that?

Molly 2:32
And she’s like, oh, you know, I just don’t earn enough.

Molly 2:34
I’m like, how much do you earn?

Molly 2:35
And she told me, and I’m like, you earn plenty enough to get on the property ladder.

Molly 2:39
Maybe you can’t start with your dream house, like, you know, with the beautiful, you know, white fence and this, but you can definitely become a property owner and build your way up to that dream home.

Molly 2:51
So, yeah, there’s always a way if you want it.

Michael 2:53

Michael 2:54
And it’s about finding it out and it’s that education because once and it’s something ideal with a lot is that people don’t know what’s possible because they don’t know what exists to make it possible.

Michael 3:02
So if you can outline the path for them, then it’s like, well, hold on now that I know what I need to do.

Michael 3:07
Do you still want to do it?

Michael 3:08
I guess at the first instance and if that’s generally yes, then, well, let’s start on that path.

Michael 3:12
So, totally, see, how, you know, outlying that journey can at least make it more empowering for the individual to then go on that journey and realise their ultimate dreams.

Molly 3:20

Molly 3:21
And it’s so funny, I think when people make that decision and then you see this belief that they, they’re like, oh, my gosh, I’m gonna buy a property and then all of a sudden they’re a bit of a financial hot mess.

Molly 3:30
And then it’s like, overnight they’ve like, got their tax sorted, they’ve got their pre-approval done.

Molly 3:35
They’re looking and it happens quickly.

Michael 3:37
It’s like tunnel vision effectively.

Michael 3:39
It’s like now that I, I’ve got that in place, I know that I can do it.

Michael 3:42
This is the strategy and then all of a sudden everything else falls into place.

Molly 3:45
And I think that’s where mortgage brokers play a big role in that education part as well.

Molly 3:49
And I know a lot of the mortgage brokers we work with as well.

Molly 3:52
I think they just spend like 90% of the time just educating people on that process, which is why we’ve started running webinars on what is the process to buy?

Michael 3:59
So, for anyone on the journey to buying their first home, what, what are some of the ways that they can improve their mindsets?

Molly 4:05
So I think there’s a couple of things you can do the mantras or the affirmations like I am gonna be a property owner.

Molly 4:13
I know it sounds a bit woo woo, but like literally changing the messages you’re telling your brain and then challenging those messages when the negative messages come up, you’ll never be able to afford it.

Molly 4:25
You won’t be able to do this by yourself and actually challenging those and going, is that true?

Molly 4:29
Has there been any single people this year that have bought property?

Molly 4:33

Molly 4:33
There have, you can totally do this.

Molly 4:35
So, really believing that again, I ain’t gonna sound weird to some of the people on the podcast but manifesting telling the universe that this is what you want and getting really clear and focused, talking to a mortgage broker.

Molly 4:46
I think that’s great for the mindset because it actually makes you go, ok?

Molly 4:50
I’m actually getting serious about this and I’m gonna, even if I’m not ready to buy right now, I’m gonna find out what I have to do and I’m gonna look at do I need to start doing some credit repair on my, credit score even writing a letter.

Molly 5:04
I don’t again, sounds weird writing a letter to yourself about when you bought the property.

Molly 5:08
So it’s such and such.

Molly 5:10
I bought the property.

Molly 5:11
This is how it makes me feel.

Molly 5:12
This is why I wanted to buy it and really thinking about why do you want to buy a home?

Molly 5:17
What is it in you?

Molly 5:18
Is it?

Molly 5:18
So you’ve got this security and comfort, is it?

Molly 5:21
So that’s something that’s yours and no one can take away from you.

Molly 5:25
Is it because you want to start a family? There might be numerous reasons.

Michael 5:28
I think recognising that why if you speak to buyers agents or you know, when it comes to purchasing, generally, the first question to ask is why do you want to buy?

Michael 5:37
And so being able to recognize what that y is can be very powerful.

Michael 5:40
But I think the things that you mentioned there were woo, I mean, perhaps maybe 10 years ago, perhaps people thought like that, but I think more and more that type of thinking and that type of being is really becoming more common and people are recognising that it’s totally OK to be like that.

Michael 5:52
And the changes that it can make are are immense and I feel.

Molly 5:55
I know the mindset is incredible when you really believe.

Michael 5:57
Totally on the same page with you with that.

Michael 6:00
And, and I think, you know, some of our listeners, if they’re thinking that it is I I I challenge them to give it a go because, and I think the key is doing it consistently.

Michael 6:06
You can’t do it for one day.

Michael 6:07
It’s just got to be something that you’ve got to ingrain in your process, right?

Molly 6:10
So, yeah, like if I look at my phone right now, I’ve got my vision board on my phone and it’s got the next property I wanna buy.

Molly 6:17
Like I look at that every day, I look at the 12345 different areas of my life that I’m visualizing at the moment and I see that every single day.

Michael 6:25
Yeah, No, I think that’s a great tip as well for people that are thinking about manifesting your reality, I think is very much something that’s a possibility and something that people should embrace as a concept and not think of it as being weird.

Michael 6:35
So hopefully we, if we can challenge one person to break down that mindset, I think we’ve done a good job here.

Michael 6:40
So, the other thing that you’re really big on is the importance of education and we’ve already touched on it a few times here.

Michael 6:45
But I want to understand why is it important for first-home buyers to educate themselves?

Well, you don’t know what you don’t know.

And when you educate yourself, you can save huge money.

Molly 6:56
Like even women who come along to our property sessions and they learn about mortgage brokers.

Molly 7:01
If they use the right mortgage broker, that’s gonna save them thousands and thousands of dollars than if they were to just walk into a random bank, you can go, hey, does my square profile fit your square cookie cutter?

Molly 7:13
And I think as well around insurances and cooling off periods, all that information, which we don’t know about it because why would we, we’ve never been taught it.

Molly 7:24
There’s no university subject.

Molly 7:26
We didn’t learn it at school.

Molly 7:28
Like unless you read about it or listen to podcasts like this, you don’t know about these different processes that can save you huge money in the long term.

Michael 7:35
And it can speed up the process as well as and that comes down to money as well, obviously.

Michael 7:39
But if you are unaware of something that can accelerate the time in which you can purchase, well, that’s a bit of a game changer too.

Molly 7:45
So like getting your pre-approval done.

Molly 7:47
Like some people go, oh, if I want to find a house, I start looking on real, I find a house I want.

Molly 7:54
It’s like, no, no, no, you get your pre-approval.

Molly 7:56
You’ll work out what your lending capacity is.

Molly 7:59
You’ve gotta get it in the right order which I know for many of our women.

Molly 8:03
Like again, why would we know?

Molly 8:04
We don’t know unless you’re speaking to someone and then again, if you’re speaking to the wrong people or you’re listening to your parents or friends of your parents and they didn’t know either, then yeah, you might not be getting the right information.

Jack 8:20

Jack 8:21
You’ll hear from Kent Lardner, the director of Suburb Trends.

Jack 8:24
Now, Suburb Trends is a property research firm trusted by some of the biggest names in Australian property.

Jack 8:29
During the chat.

Jack 8:30
Kent lamented how people have become a little too fixated on their property values and how he believes we need more social housing.

Jack 8:37
Michael asked Kent to share what he was seeing out there in the data.

Kent 8:43
Sometime in the nineties.

Kent 8:45
I think we all shifted our gaze to Gordon Gecko as our hero and we’ve all for the last 20 years we’ve all sat around the pub or the cafe bragging about how much our house price has gone up, you know, had good on us.

Kent 8:55
And for 30 or 40 years now we’ve neglected social public housing and we’re paying the price for that now and this will spill over.

Kent 9:03
It’s not an isolated cup.

Michael 9:05

Michael 9:06
And I, I’m sure there are some, some big takeaways.

Michael 9:08
And what would you see the biggest takeaway from this index now that we’re starting to monitor that you’re putting out now about the current states of rentals in Australia as a general observation.

Kent 9:14
I think the big take out is that the politicians, even though it may have taken 30 or 40 years to get here, a lot of the leaders now are focused on this.

Kent 9:25
So whether that be Chris Mins in New South Wales Anthony Albanese from a national perspective, this is a big focus now.

Kent 9:33
So supply is the issue, not some half-hearted rental cap.

Kent 9:39
You know, those rental caps are probably going to have the reverse of the intended effect.

Kent 9:44
And I think these politicians are calling that out.

Kent 9:47
They’re not playing cheap politics, they’re not playing short-termism, they’re actually recognizing that the only solution is supply-driven.

Kent 9:56
Rarely do I applaud politicians, but certainly they seem to be focused on the right thing now, but they’re carrying the can for 30 or 40 years of neglect.

Michael :05

Michael 10:05
And I guess that supply issue is definitely an issue and probably the conversation in its own right, because it’s got it’s it’s challenges.

Michael 10:12
But in Sydney, in particular, obviously, we’re seeing a steering away to some extent of that high-density type of housing and style of of a desirable asset class.

Michael 10:21
And where do you see that supply coming from in most of the capital cities?

Kent 10:25
The focus on New South Wales, for example, Chris Mins is highlighting that the infill is an important thing.

Kent 10:31
Density does need to go up.

Kent 10:33
So he’s looking at extra density, extra allowance for number of floors in return for an allocation of affordable housing.

Kent 10:43
So that’s a a trade that’s underway which is healthy.

Kent 10:47
Other things I’m seeing touted, are you a return to that medium-density town home come terrace home design?

Kent 10:56
So there’s a lot of common sense stuff coming out where they are calling out the limitations of the great urban sprawl.

Kent 11:05
And you know, in Sydney, we’ll pick on Sydney, you know, Sydney’s the basin and it’s kind of running out of space and pushing into flood plains as the last resort of a place where you know, places where you can build cheaply.

Kent 11:17
It makes no sense.

Kent 11:18
You’re not building cheaply, you’re just effectively kicking the can down the road until it floods and then when it floods, you can’t get insurance and none of us will get insurance and certainly you’ll pay the price long-term global warming.

Kent 11:30
I don’t, you know, climate change it doesn’t matter who you attribute the cause to or what you attribute the cause to it’s happening, right?

Kent 11:37
So floods will be more frequent, more common, more severe and these areas that we’re building are wrong.

Kent 11:44
And so the politicians are calling that out correctly.

Michael 11:49
And it’s funny you mentioned going back to what we’ve done.

Michael 11:51
I mean, I if you look back in inner Sydney, in particular, there is a lot of terrace houses and there was a lot of, you know, and it’s almost like, well, we did it at one point.

Michael 11:58
So we kind of at that stage knew and we pivoted away and now perhaps it’s more coming back to that type of style of housing that we once had and true.

Kent 12:05
There’s a great story online that talks about the history of why they stopped doing it.

Kent 12:11
And the government of the time they were the places where there were slumps so effectively when there were, whether it be health-related issues, a disease being spread or crime or other things after the depression, they kind of blamed, well, it, it appeared that the, the local government in Sydney, they blamed terrace housing and they never got past it.

Kent 12:34
So the Planning minister that highlighted this at the time was Rob Stokes.

Kent 12:39
There’s a great story online about it that says what happened to the terrace and effectively, we never got back on track.

Kent 12:46
So they were effectively banned and it never climbed back again yet.

Kent 12:50
I think anyone who walks through a Newtown or a Paddington in Sydney loves the vibe of the place.

Michael 12:55
Now, it’s part of the charm of the suburb.

Kent 12:57
It’s part of the charm.

Kent 12:58
So why wouldn’t you do more than that?

Kent 13:00
I just read something from, I think his name’s Matt Endicott and it was just a post that came out locally in Newcastle this morning about an hour ago and highlighting this same point.

Kent 13:11
That’s why it was top of mind.

Kent 13:12
And he was saying we should be focusing on a number of these suburbs should be looking at that style of dwelling.

Kent 13:18
And it’s like hallelujah, because I’ve lived in a terrace before in Newtown and it was on 100 and 27 square meters.

Kent 13:26
So quite a bigger block, but a lot of them are on 70 or 80 square meters yet they feel quite private.

Kent 13:33
But because of the design, you’ve got your own little courtyard out the back and I think they’re a wonderful approach to medium density.

Michael 13:41

Michael 13:41
And it’s just funny.

Kent 13:41
I had that thought cos you’d mentioned it and I was like, well, yeah, we used to do it and what happened, we obviously stopped and, and that’s what happened and you know, a dis whether it be disease or, or you know, whatever it might have been, there was a government hand in stopping it and that effectively put an end to it and, and we never really caught up again,

Michael 13:59
And we’re seeing a lot of duplex, I guess, style of housing now that’s coming up and cropping up in the different subs.

Michael 14:03
And that’s not, I don’t think it’s gonna have the same impact that something like a terrace.

Kent 14:07
It doesn’t have the same impact.

Kent 14:08
You know, we went into all these new sites and these Greenfield sites and just started building 3, 4, 500 square meter lots and imagine if they could have been 75 80 100 square meter lots.

Michael :21

Michael 14:21

Michael 14:22
No, no, it’s, it’s, you’re raising a lot of food for thought there.

Michael 14:25
And, and I guess that’s, that’s what politicians I’m assuming today are, are considering and.

Kent 14:30
They’re onto it. They are, they’re not ignoring it.

Kent 14:31
It’s just the problem is you can’t turn this problem around on a dime.

Michael 14:35
No, no cos you’ve got to appeal to the, to the consensus in the community.

Michael 14:39
And I think there is a sentiment in the community about this type of, you know, the dwelling and this high density, I guess type of living, which we, we as a community probably need to start to embrace as well.

Michael 14:49
So I guess that’s the challenge of the politicians.

Kent 14:51
Yeah, I mean, that’s what the city should be anyway.

Kent 14:54
You know, and there’s a lot of airspace above public transport and there has been a lot of nimbyism.

Kent 15:00
So if you talk to a lot of locals in and around these inner city locations, they don’t want high-rise nearby.

Kent 15:07
So that’s the trade-off, that’s the hard decision.

Jack 15:13
And finally to finish up this new year new home series.

Jack 15:16
Let’s go to Doctor Nicola Powell.

Jack 15:18
Nicola is the Chief of Research and Economics for Domain and she has to be one of the smartest people we’ve ever had on the show.

Jack 15:25
Nicola gets to see things from a higher level than you.

Jack 15:28
And I, so to start, Michael asked Nicola to explain what it is.

Jack 15:32
She actually does as the Chief of research and Economics Domain.

Nicola 15:39
So I lead our research and economics team.

Nicola 15:42
So that ultimately means we have the fabulous job of picking apart what’s going on in Australia’s property market, both at a macro level from Australia wide and we go all the way down to suburbs.

Nicola 15:52
So we do various different reports such as rent reports.

Nicola 15:56
So we do do rental markets, vacancy rates, we do other things like pricing.

Nicola 16:01
We do a first-home buyer report.

Nicola 16:03
We actually launched last year, a sustainability and property report and looking at how energy-efficient homes or more energy-efficient homes perform on the market in terms of, do they sell for more?

Nicola 16:14
Do they sell for quicker?

Nicola 16:15
So, yeah, we track obviously the the basic fundamentals of the property market such as auction clearance rates.

Nicola 16:21
I mean, that’s a sport in itself, isn’t it watching the the auction market days on market or anything to do with property stats.

Nicola 16:29
That’s what my team looks after.

Michael 16:31

Michael 16:31
And so you get to look at things at a much higher level.

Michael 16:33
And I guess at a more level as well than most of us, I wanted to ask you about some of the trends that you see from your vantage point and what trends are affecting first-home buyers.

Michael 16:42
But in particular, right now.

Nicola 16:44
There are a few and one of the ones that occurred during the pandemic was this record price gap between houses and units.

Nicola 16:52
We started to see it narrow a little bit, but it appears to be widening again, that obviously impacts first home buyers in a couple of ways.

Nicola 16:59
Probably the first one is when they’re on the market and perhaps they purchase a unit is that upsizing that property leap from one property type to another has become harder.

Nicola 17:09
And that’s a consideration when someone’s looking to get into the market in terms of what type of home is their first time.

Nicola 17:14
But the flip side of that, you know, the fact that we have got such a wide gap.

Nicola 17:19
So it’s still very elevated in terms of the price gap and this is largely across most of our capital cities.

Nicola 17:24
It does mean that it either tells us two things about the market houses are overvalued or units are undervalued.

Nicola 17:30
And I think there is this perception of value that units offer first home buyers and the fact that they haven’t, if we capture that COVID price gain as well.

Nicola 17:39
The fact that units didn’t see as much growth during that period of time.

Nicola 17:43
And actually they didn’t pull back in price as much as house prices had.

Nicola 17:46
But I think that value is there in the unit sector relative to what we see in houses.

Nicola 17:52
But I think when you go to that second home and perhaps your family is expanding and you want to have a house, you want to have a garden that upsizing has become harder.

Michael 18:02
You also mentioned the first home buyer report.

Michael 18:05
What’s that about?

Michael 18:06
And what sort of metrics are you analyzing and interpreting there for first home buyers?

Michael 18:09
And what’s the latest in that sort of space that you’ve seen?

Nicola 18:12
So with domain, we’re actually really passionate about affordability and really helping first home buyers understand property market dynamics and understanding the journey they need to go in order to be able to purchase their first home.

Nicola 18:24
So we do an annual report which is called the first home buyer report.

Nicola 18:27
And there’s two main aspects to this report.

Nicola 18:29
Firstly, we look at and calculate how long does it take to save the recommended and I’ll say recommended 20% deposit.

Nicola 18:37
We know many people go with a much lower deposit than 20%.

Nicola 18:41
So we look at the journey time it takes to save for a couple.

Nicola 18:44
We focus it on that first home buyer age, which is the bracket between 25 and 34.

Nicola 18:50
So the average age of a first home buyer is in the early thirties.

Nicola 18:53
We also look at the change over the time.

Nicola 18:56
So have we seen the journey time it takes for an entry-level house or unit change over the past year change over the last five years?

Nicola 19:05
As you can imagine, the journey time it takes to save for a house in Sydney is the longest and this is an entry-level house.

Nicola 19:11
It takes six years and eight months to save for an entry house in Sydney.

Nicola 19:16
We have seen the journey time it takes to save for an entry house improve.

Nicola 19:21
And that’s because obviously the interest rate environment has changed.

Nicola 19:23
And what we do is we calculate savings rates and that compounded rate of saving obviously helped to speed up the time it takes to save the other part of the first home buyer report actually looks at the other side of the spectrum.

Nicola 19:36
Cos there’s always two sides to the affordability conversation.

Nicola 19:40
There’s I need to save X amount to have a deposit and gain access to the market.

Nicola 19:45
Then I need to be able to service an ongoing mortgage.

Nicola 19:49
And what is that cost of holding debt?

Nicola 19:52
What we also calculate is mortgage affordability.

Nicola 19:54
So what is the proportion or the percentage of income needed to cover the mortgage for an entry-priced house?

Nicola 20:01
And what’s been very interesting?

Nicola 20:03
So we do this report annually.

Nicola 20:05
So the last time we did this was early this year.

Nicola 20:08
So it was back in kind of February March time.

Nicola 20:10
What we saw was a change in the affordability conversation.

Nicola 20:15
Largely speaking, we’d seen the journey time it takes to save for an entry price, property decline.

Nicola 20:21
So decrease.

Nicola 20:22
So that’s good news for first home buyers.

Nicola 20:24
But the conversation had really changed and morphed into a mortgage affordability conversation.

Nicola 20:30
You know, this is totally your realm of expertise and we’ve seen that those interest rates have changed so dramatically over the last 12 months or so.

Nicola 20:40
When we look across the combined capital cities, the amount of income required to service a mortgage repayment on an entry-priced house surged to 41%.

Nicola 20:51
That’s increased from 29% in 2018.

Nicola 20:55
Now, 30% is more or less the benchmark and when you go over 30% you’re deemed in mortgage stress.

Nicola 21:04
So across the combined capital cities for an entry-priced house, it’s telling us that largely speaking, people in mortgage stress based upon that kind of aggregated data, but for units, it’s much better.

Nicola 21:15
It’s 27% to cover an entry-price unit across our combined capital cities.

Nicola 21:20
But again, it’s increased but not as dramatically as we’ve seen for houses.

Nicola 21:23
It’s gone from 23% in 2018, up to 27% of your income needed to cover a mortgage repayment financial unit.

Michael 21:33
You mentioned that savings has been decreasing in terms of the time and correct me if I’m wrong here.

Michael 21:38
But the time that it takes for the average first home buyer to save is decreasing in time, is that a result of any incentives that have been in place or you know, there’s a 5% low home deposit scheme?

Michael 21:49
Do you guys look at that as part of the reasons as to why that might be occurring?

Nicola 21:52

Nicola 21:53
So we don’t take into account first home buyer incentives because obviously there are some people might not be eligible for those incentives.

Nicola 22:00
So we really look at almost like a base case scenario.

Nicola 22:03
This is a couple.

Nicola 22:04
So obviously, if you’re a single, your situation is, is much different, but you’re really right, there are lots of incentives and I think it’s really important to remind first-home buyers if I’m ever talking to a first-home buyer, whether it’s a colleague, you know, whether it’s someone I meet in the street or whether it’s a friend.

Nicola 22:20
My advice is always the same when you begin your journey of looking for a home, make sure that you are aware of the types of incentives that are currently in the market.

Nicola 22:28
They change.

Nicola 22:29
New South Wales is a really great example where they had that choice on stamp duty or property tax earlier in the year.

Nicola 22:35
And then, you know, it was canned very, very quickly.

Nicola 22:39
So things change.

Nicola 22:40
And I think it’s important to be across, you know, get some advice from professionals that really like yourself that specialise in this space to help understand what are those either cash incentives or low deposit schemes that I can get access to?

Nicola 22:55
Because as you said, like that low deposit scheme which there are 35,000 places is available this financial year, you can go with as little as a 5% deposit.

Nicola 23:06
What that does is it supercharges your access to market and you’re in the market sooner.

Nicola 23:11
So it’s a great incentive.

Nicola 23:14
But I also think it’s important to do the pros and cons because not everybody’s situation is the same and that’s why it’s always important to talk to the professionals that know what they’re doing.

Jack 23:27
So that’s it for today’s episode.

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